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watchtower bible & tract society of new york.
25 columbia heights, brooklyn, 11201.
revenue: $951 million.
Seems like my suspicions are correct. But I am not sure how to confront her that her help is not extended passed her beloved WTBTS.
Blondie, I wish I had the calmness and insight with which you present your information.
Thanks all.
watchtower bible & tract society of new york.
25 columbia heights, brooklyn, 11201.
revenue: $951 million.
Okay, I just got an email from my JW friend that says, " We did tarp roofs to make them dry. Hopefully they will withstand the next storm but I am doubtful if it comes in as a Catagory 5. We'll see exactly what happens in a few days. Right now we are clearing yards again. Taking down the dangerous branches that have already broken but not fallen to the ground. D oing the work in Punta Gorda, Port Charlott and today and tomorrow Arcadia."
She goes on to say that there is so much to do, but it is well organized. Can anyone tell me if the WTBTS is doing work for the community in these areas or just helping the JW brothers and sisters? Any if there are any news articles other than the Society's own print.
Thanks, Triple A
...or that unified meditation can change the course of things??
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Both my wife and I turned our love life over to the lord in prayer one September night in 1983. That November we were introduced and August of 1984 we were married. We treat each other as gifts from God. I most certainly believe in "The Power of Prayer" and recommend it.
watchtower bible & tract society of new york.
25 columbia heights, brooklyn, 11201.
revenue: $951 million.
Do you think the WTBTS got hold of this thread?
I just got an email from my friend in New York state. She leaves today to go to Florida to help with relief work from the hurricane. Does anyone know of any real assistance that the Society members are doing for the regular population or what they are doing in Florida period?
Should hear her story when she returns.
through clear reasoning with a jehovah's witness, has anyone found it possible to show a jw that they are completly brainwashed members of a cult?
what are the best strategy's or methods of converting a jw back into a clear thinking individual?
any anecdote or insight is welcome.
Mr. Jones, welcome to JWD.
Through clear reasoning with a Jehovah's Witness, has anyone found it possible to show a JW that they are completly brainwashed members of a cult? What are the best strategy's or methods of converting a JW back into a clear thinking individual? Any anecdote or insight is welcome.
No, I have not. But I do not know what state the JW that is knocking at my door is in and it maybe the time that they are just looking for someone that has the other side of the story. I do not believe that anyone one thing will work, except showing love, knowing their traps and snears (hope Rutherford does not mind me borrowing that) and persistance.
I also look at it this way. As long as they are at my door they are not talking to someone that is unaware of the wolf in sheep's clothing standing at theirs.
I have been able to help others who are being approach and become confused. The purple KIT is a powerful tool in showing the twist of the scriptures.
Mr. Jones you will find a lot of loving and caring people on this board with good advise.
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imo, the wtbts has two primary goals.. first to make money, orginally from the sales placement of their publications, but i think we can now add real estate ownership as a secondary money maker.. second, partly to help sale their publications, they profess doctrines that are contary to the teachings of main stream christian beliefs.. so my question is, "if someone leaves the organization and rejects the word of bible, has the wtbts still won?
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IMO, the WTBTS has two primary goals.
First to make money, orginally from the sales placement of their publications, but I think we can now add real estate ownership as a secondary money maker.
Second, partly to help sale their publications, they profess doctrines that are contary to the teachings of main stream Christian beliefs.
So my question is, "If someone leaves the Organization and rejects the word of Bible, has the WTBTS still won?"
a little disclaimer first, let me admit right up front i think this is a little on the weird side.
i was watching a news program, maybe 48 hours or one of those like it, sometime last week.
and it talked about how there is a whole group of supposed experts who say that jesus christ was married.
Suggested side reading, "Cracking THE DAVINCI CODE," by Garlow and Jones.
Two of Christianity's top research authors, Dr. James Garlow, who holds degrees from Asbury and Princeton Seminaries; and Dr. Peter Jones, who holds degrees from Gordon-Conwell Seminary, Harvard Divinity School and Princeton, have collaborated to provide the practical insight to answer questions about the modern heresy.
there have been a couple of posts recently about the 144,000. since the wt theory is bogus, i ask the forum, "who are the 144,000"?
i know the traditional view of some religions is that they are 144,000 literal jews who will convert near the gt to witness to the jewish population.
not sure that makes a whole lot of sense to me.
TallTexan,
If you understand the 144,000 to be literal than they would have to be Jewish males. I do not believe that you have to know if they are Jewish men that have come to Christ or the entire body of Christ to be saved. When they are established, I do not believe that there will be any mistaken who they are.
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I guess it only makes sense if one still believes that the Jews are somehow special to God.
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Let take a look at explaining how one would believe that God still holds something special for the Jews. I am not asking you to believe this, just to see that there is something in the Bible that could lead someone into believing that God is not finished with the Jews. For this discussion I will also take the stand the 144,000 is literally Jewish men. Bible quotes are from the New International Version.
Romans 11:25-26, 25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: Since these verses deal with the Gentiles as a natural group, Israel here can only be taken as a natural group. This can not be seen as spiritual
Daniel 9:20-27: 20 While I was speaking and praying, confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel and making my request to the LORD my God for his holy hill- 21 while I was still in prayer, Gabriel, the man I had seen in the earlier vision, came to me in swift flight about the time of the evening sacrifice. 22 He instructed me and said to me, "Daniel, I have now come to give you insight and understanding. 23 As soon as you began to pray, an answer was given, which I have come to tell you, for you are highly esteemed. Therefore, consider the message and understand the vision:
24 "Seventy 'sevens' are decreed for your people and your holy city to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy.
25 "Know and understand this: From the issuing of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, the ruler, comes, there will be seven 'sevens,' and sixty-two 'sevens.' It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble. 26 After the sixty-two 'sevens,' the Anointed One will be cut off and will have nothing. The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed. 27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' In the middle of the 'seven' he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing of the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him. ? Daniel in verse 20 is praying for and the following is his answer delivered by Gabriel. Verse 24 there are seventy ?sevens? for which God is going to deal with the Jews. To put an end to their sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy. I think we can all agree that these things have not occurred with the Jews, nor any other group for that matter.
I do not want to set dates here that is not the purpose. But note in verse 25 that there are only 69 sevens talked about, which leaves one seven to be fulfilled. Although we see much evil in this world we have not seen the temple desecrated with an abomination that causes desolation, nor have we seen the end. We see a pause in the fulfillment of the seventy sevens. In verse 27 we see the last seven, which is relates to the Great Tribulation. Currently we live in that pause.
So moving forward to Revelation specifically Chapter 7, 9, and 14.
Revelation 7:1-4 1 After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree. 2 Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God. He called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea: 3 "Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God." 4 Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of
.In verse 1-4 we see the angels holding back the winds from the four corners of the earth the seal of the 144,000 has been completed. So instead of in heaven we find these 144,000 still occupying the earth.
Revelation 9:1-6 1 The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth. The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss. 2 When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss. 3 And out of the smoke locusts came down upon the earth and were given power like that of scorpions of the earth. 4 They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads. 5 They were not given power to kill them, but only to torture them for five months. And the agony they suffered was like that of the sting of a scorpion when it strikes a man. 6 During those days men will seek death, but will not find it; they will long to die, but death will elude them.Note in 4 that the people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads were to be harmed. These people are on the earth, if they were the only ones there would be no need to make a distinction. However there is and the only distinction made concerning humans is the seal on the forehead. This would lead one to understand that the sealed (144,000) are on earth as well.
Revelation 14:1-5 1 Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on
, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father's name written on their foreheads. 2 And I heard a sound from heaven like the roar of rushing waters and like a loud peal of thunder. The sound I heard was like that of harpists playing their harps. 3 And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth. 4 These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they kept themselves pure. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among men and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb. 5 No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless.When in is mentioned in the Bible, except on place in the New Testament, it is referring to an earthly . So if God is dealing one last time with the Jews, it would stand to reason that the Jews would see this as an earthly place. But whether earthly or heavenly it show not only the 144,000 with Christ but there are others (the rest of Christ?s body) there.
If the tribulation is the time that God is dealing mainly with the Jews. Who would be the best candidate to glorify Him to the nation of ? The gentile or 144,000 pure (righteous) Jews. That does not mean that the gentile is not able to come to God during this time, it is a seven year period that Jews are the Lord?s target market.
As I said that I am not trying to convince you of this; there is a lot of things not mentioned. Like where are the believers, where is the Holy Spirit. But hopefully you can see that this is one way one can see God is not finished with the natural Jew.
i wanted to say that we have so many fine posters here!!!!
it's wonderful knowing the collective years of experience that we can tap into because of the fantastic variety of people that we have here.
specifically, blondie always comes to my mind when i think of valued posters.your research and ability to analyze is about the best there is on this board.
I would like to give my thumbs up to this thread.